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Hi guys! So I'm titling this post "Morgan Tells You What to Read By Babbling Incoherently And Then Using Capslock A Lot." I'm sure you will all enjoy it.

I've been talking on and off recently about how I've been reading The Lymond Chronicles and how they are the best thing ever. And a few people have even expressed interest in also picking them up, even though I've prefaced every squee-fest about them with "BUT ALSO THEY ARE CONFUSING". At least two/three people on my flist I believe have at least started the books.

So I thought to myself, I thought "Self! If you can get a few people to pick up these books just by randomly mentioning how they are melting your brain, imagine what you could do if you made a pimp post! Maybe a whole OTHER PERSON would start reading. And then you would have THREE people to talk about them with. Three! Imagine!"

AND THEREFORE THIS POST WAS BORN.


Why you should read The Lymond Chronicles:


First off? THEY ARE THE THE BEST AND YOU SHOULD READ THEM! I just needed to get that off my chest. Do you like fully fleshed out characters who are awesome and annoying and terrible and precious and amazing, sometimes all at once? How about awesome strong female characters? How about action? Adventure? Intrigue? How do you feel about hot dudes and also super gayness. (Seriously. Like sometimes these books are SMALLVILLE gay. It's not an honor I give to just anything.) Then these books are for you!

"But wait! You've given no actual information about the books!" you're saying? Ok fine! There are six of them. Yes, the font is also very, very tiny. They sort of take forever to read sometimes. Whatever. I guarantee you that by book three you will be like "WHO NEEDS SLEEP!? THINGS ARE HAPPENING!"

The books are set in the 15th century, so it's historical fiction, and are insanely well researched. [livejournal.com profile] snowfire who is a huge history junkie, loves them. But I also love them and I can guarantee you that whatever little you know about history, I know less. In fact, I feel like I'm legit learning things while reading these books. (Geeky disclaimer: I started looking up Mary Tudor today to get some background on stuff that may come up in the fifth book and after five minutes I quickly closed the page because OMG SPOILERS. HAHA! So I guess the benefit of knowing nothing about history is that I always have no idea what's coming up!)

The books center around Francis Crawford of Lymond, who in the first book is on the run around Scotland and England with a merry band of mercenaries after being considered a traitor to his native home of Scotland. Later the books travel all over the place, to France and Turkey and Malta and Russia. But I don't want to give anything away so I will probably not talk that much about specifics.

Lymond is seriously one of my all time favorite literary characters now though. The character could have SO easily slipped into Gary Stu territory (he's good at everything including: fighting, music, language, smartness, poetry, charming the ladies, scheming, and being hot. Every lady and dude will eventually fall in love with him, this is fact.) AND YET. Yet he just *feels real*. I think that's because his flaws are maybe as important, if not more so, than his strengths. He is often too mean to the people close to him and can be totally bitchy and reckless. He uses his thrall over people to their own detriment. Underneath the bravado he's so young and sad and it makes me want to give him a hug and tell him everything will be alright.

(Yesterday [livejournal.com profile] mordororbust and I had a Lymond Lunch and we were like "You know what he needs? To just go home and get a hug from his mom. GO HOME AND HUG YOUR MOM LYMOND. That will make it better!")

Oh but speaking of his mom? BAMF. Sybilla is maybe the most awesome lady in a cast full to the gills with awesome ladies.

And the thing I really like about the writing of the female characters in this book series is that they are all strong and flawed and awesome and yet they all still feel like they could have really lived during this time period. As much as I love Libba Bray's A Great And Terrible Beauty/Gemma Doyle trilogy and it's "yay! feminism!" message, the thing that bothered me throughout all the books is that their mind frame always seemed a bit too modern. I still love those books and obviously more feminism in teen lit to offset horrible Twilight-like books is good. But the female characters are awesome here because they are awesome even within the confines of their societal roles.

So many of the female characters are awesome though. PHILLIPA! Who is so awesome and plucky girl adventurer. Oonagh, who is maybe the most hardcore person in all the books. Marthe! Christian Stewart!

Seriously when I started out the first book and was super confused and had no idea what was going on, it was the characters that I stayed for. They are all so wonderful. Lymond's brother Richard is maybe my second favorite character to the point where I squee internally whenever he pops up. Richard I love you! <3 Will Scott! Archie! Hell even Jerrott, despite how often I want to punch him in the face for being a douche.

The plots of the books are so fantastic too. They are so byzantine and elaborate and almost everything that happens is important, even though it might not seem like it at first. And action and adventure! Things nearly blowing up and actually blowing up! Races across rooftops! Scheming and double crossing and triple crossing and one of the most evil villains ever!

The reason these books aren't as well loved and popular as they deserve to be is because they are ridiculously confusing. Like sometimes Lymond will quote things in Latin and French and there is NEVER any translation. I've just learned to roll with it but I can see how that would get annoying. Also there are about two million characters and they all have weird and confusing names and about 12 titles each. Lymond himself must have at least 50 titles by now.

But the books are so good! I finished the fourth book last week and was crying so hard that when my mom saw me she was like "Did something terrible happen!? Did someone we know die?!" And I was like "MY BOOK OMG". Seriously. My emotional destruction, provided by Dorothy Dunnett. I just started the fifth book and I am SCARED because I know that terrible shit will happen and I just want everyone to be happy and go home to Scotland to see their mom and brother and have shenanigans but that is obviously not going to happen. WHY DOROTHY DUNNETTT WHY?

If any of this ranting has gotten you at all interested in the books (and I wouldn't blame you if it didn't. I'm not selling these so much now as just squeeing about them and making myself sound deranged) my advice is just to push through the first 100/200 pages of the first book. Don't worry so much if you have no idea WTF is happening. No one does. You will eventually. If you get to the end of the first book and you're not like "omgomgomg" than possibly the book series isn't for you. But if you are OMGOMGOMG the second book is a bit slow, but from the third book on it gets INSANE.

(I am a weirdo part one million: I already want to reread the first two books because I feel I didn't properly appreciate them and that I would understand them a lot better now that I know WTF is happening.)

In closing? THEY ARE AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD READ THEM. (And squee with me please!)


I've been considering starting up a Lymond Book Club community here on LJ with [livejournal.com profile] mordororbust. I know there's a general comm for Lymond stuff but it's actually hard to discuss the books without getting spoiled. I think it would be fun to have people discussing all the different books as they read them and we could break the books down into parts for discussion posts, etc. Plus my immediate reaction whenever anyone mentions they are reading the books is generally "OMG! What do you think?! Where are you? How do you feel? Who is your favorite? TELL ME YOUR FEELINGS!" Which I think gets a bit creepy. So if we had a book club I might stop creeping people out by sending them weird Lymond emails.

Would anyone else reading the books/thinking of reading the books/have read the books be interested in a Lymond Book Club?

~Morgan
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posted by [identity profile] katayla.livejournal.com at 08:38pm on 16/06/2010
I'd be interested in a book community! I haven't started them yet because, well, I have a bad habit of getting really excited about books, buying them, and then taking forever to start them. But I'm going on a book buying trip this weekend and was actually thinking about picking up the rest of them (I only have book 1).

And it would be awesome to discuss as I read! I always have thoughts I want to babble at someone when I'm reading.

Ooh, this is like the least relevant part of your post, but, comparatively, I thought Libba Bray did a good job with the historical setting. Haha, which is a total backhanded comment, but I've read some books that are so horrible at creating female characters that actually make sense for their time, that I really appreciated that she made an effort.
 
posted by [identity profile] mojotastic.livejournal.com at 01:20am on 17/06/2010
YAY! I think this comm will need to happen soon! <3

Oh man I have the SAME problem. I have a stack of unread books just lying around my house. And I even have some unread books on my Kindle. It's sort of a problem.

But I'm going on a book buying trip this weekend and was actually thinking about picking up the rest of them (I only have book 1).

I ended up having to order at least half of mine off BN.com because I couldn't find them anywhere! Why doesn't everyone love these books like I do? I don't understand!

And it would be awesome to discuss as I read! I always have thoughts I want to babble at someone when I'm reading.

I know! This happens to me so often when I'm reading books and then OMG I have no one to talk to about it. But I'm terrible at keeping on a set reading schedule so I'm sort of the worst book club member ever. lol! But I have so many thoughts and FEELINGS about Lymond! Plus the books are so confusing that I'd love to be there for my friends that are reading them to be like "No, no you read that right..." haha! Not everyone has a Lymond texting buddy like I do where I can be like "HELP WHAT IS HAPPENING".

Ooh, this is like the least relevant part of your post, but, comparatively, I thought Libba Bray did a good job with the historical setting. Haha, which is a total backhanded comment, but I've read some books that are so horrible at creating female characters that actually make sense for their time, that I really appreciated that she made an effort.

Oh I totally love the Gemma Doyle books I don't think I even explained my issue all that well! It could also be that I haven't read much historical fiction (and certaintly not much aimed at teens besides Gemma and the Luxe series, which is a super fun read btw) so I don't know how she stacks up on realism comparitively. I think there was something just a little....idk I want to say heavyhanded, about the way she handled the feminism in those books. Like it was maybe missing some subtly I would have liked, which makes sense considering it's in the teen category? IDK I'm explaining this so badly! But I do adore the Gemma books and love Libba Bray so everything I'm saying should just be taken with a grain of salt here. lol!
 
posted by [identity profile] katayla.livejournal.com at 03:20am on 17/06/2010
My local Borders has the first one, but that's it! But I'm going to a used bookstore, so I'm hoping they'll be more likely to have them.

Haha, I can't keep to a set reading schedule either. I either get hooked and read it all at once or get distracted and set it aside. Are you on GoodReads? Sometimes I have fun just updating my status message about what I'm reading there, even though people almost never respond to them, lol.

I think there was something just a little....idk I want to say heavyhanded, about the way she handled the feminism in those books. Like it was maybe missing some subtly I would have liked, which makes sense considering it's in the teen category?

YES. That I agree with. It was definitely heavy-handed.But I guess I did find it less so than other teen historical fiction? And I almost thought she went too overboard with the opposing view, too. Like 1900 was a time of change, so I'm not sure there was THAT much of a gulf between the different views.

And no worries! I got that you were criticizing out of love, lol. I love them, too, and have been thinking about a re-read (uh, what was I saying about having a lot of books to read?). I couldn't really get into The Luxe, though. I think I read the first two.
 
posted by [identity profile] mojotastic.livejournal.com at 12:33am on 22/06/2010
Yea the books are pretty hard to find in stores! :( It bums me out.

Haha, I can't keep to a set reading schedule either. I either get hooked and read it all at once or get distracted and set it aside.

Yea I'm terrible! I'll get either hypermotivated and not be able to stop or all of the sudden I'll feel like listening to my ipod on the train or watching something and not read at all. I would be the worst (real) book club member!

Are you on GoodReads? Sometimes I have fun just updating my status message about what I'm reading there, even though people almost never respond to them, lol.

OMG YES! I <3 Goodreads so much! I'm here! (http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1163630-morgang08) Where are you on there, I'd love to add you! I've been trying to actually write reviews for the books I read lately insted of just keeping track of them. It's fun to go back and read the reviews later. My Lymond reviews are all just like keyboard smashing and FEELINGS.

And I almost thought she went too overboard with the opposing view, too. Like 1900 was a time of change, so I'm not sure there was THAT much of a gulf between the different views.

I think you're totally right about that. Both sides were so extreme that it ended up coming on a little strong and I was like "Whoa chill out a bit books! I get it, feminism= good! I'm on board, you don't have to sell me so hard." I can't wait for Libba Bray's next book though, I do legit love her as an author. I'm glad teen fiction has her to balance out all the crappy teen books.

The Luxe is totally guilty pleasure material for me. I loved them in a "omg for real?" type of way.
 
posted by [identity profile] katayla.livejournal.com at 01:54am on 22/06/2010
A friend I are supposed to read some Austen this summer. It'll be interesting to see if we can actually manage to stay pace with each other!

I'll send you a friend request! (I use my real name there.) I've fallen into a habit of writing a review for everything I read (even if it's only a sentence or two) and I'm already appreciating having a record of my thoughts for later, as it's SO easy to forget what I've read.

I still need to read Going Bovine, but YES. I'm so, so grateful for Libba Bray's books, especially specifically in the supernatural YA genre. Have you read Kelley Armstrong? She's primarily an adult writer (of paranormal romance), but she recently wrote a supernatural YA trilogy that, much like Libba Bray's books, just felt like such a breath of fresh air for the genre. Like, I'm reading the latest Vampire Academy now and I think that series does more things right than most, but, ultimately, I think it's just not different enough for me to have much of an emotional attachment to it.

(And, haha, I just comp
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posted by [identity profile] mordororbust.livejournal.com at 10:17pm on 16/06/2010
HAHAHA at work laughing out loud in my little edit suite.

Seriously so, so glad that you are reading. It made the re-read ridiculously fun and kept me motivated, and I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE the joys (I say joy and yet I know we will be so sad) that the fifth book will bring.

Having even MORE people reading ... a;oeijawoiha!!

The sheer relief just of having someone to bitch with about Jerott ...

YAY GUYS join us and have your spirits crushed for life!! In a good way! (This is why you make the pimp posts.)
 
posted by [identity profile] mojotastic.livejournal.com at 01:24am on 17/06/2010
LOL for real this is what I did for the first part of the morning while my computer went insane and shut down my Outlook five million times. Computer viruses= useful, I guess?

Seriously so, so glad that you are reading. It made the re-read ridiculously fun and kept me motivated, and I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE the joys (I say joy and yet I know we will be so sad) that the fifth book will bring.

So you know my confusion level with these books is already pretty high but I cannot even IMAGINE what they would be if we weren't reading them together. Like I would just be in a corner sobbing "what is happening!?"

But seriously I'm so exicted for book five AND YET SO SCARED. I'm like Jessie Spano on caffine pills!

The sheer relief just of having someone to bitch with about Jerott ...

NO FOR REAL SHUT UP JEROTT. Ahaha! I have to forward you [livejournal.com profile] snowfire's email she sent me today where she was like "I love everyone! Except Jerott, who is sort of annoying". And she just finished book three and I want to say "GURL YOU HAVE NO IDEA". lol! Shut up for always Jerott!

YAY GUYS join us and have your spirits crushed for life!! In a good way! (This is why you make the pimp posts.)

I AM TRYING TO TAKE EVERYONE DOWN WITH US! Lymond Book Club! This shit is going to happen!
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posted by [identity profile] snowfire.livejournal.com at 03:01am on 17/06/2010
MORGAN THIS POST MADE ME LOL LIKE FIVE TIMES, EVEN IF NOW I AM EVEN MORE TERRIFIED FOR THE FOURTH BOOK. Does Sybilla die? Lymond's son? PHILIPPA?! OH GOD I HATE DEATHS.

(no, don't tell me, I will get there on my own. I will just fear for them all in the meantime!)

I guarantee you that by book three you will be like 'WHO NEEDS SLEEP!? THINGS ARE HAPPENING!'

EXACTLY THIS. Oh my god, my sleep schedule during the second half of the third book got soooo messed up because I just couldn't put it down!

And I am now done commenting, even though I could go on for much longer, because I need to be in bedddd (where I will PROBABLY END UP READING TOO MUCH, EVEN THOUGH I'M SO TIRED), but. I saw this post and had to reply!
 
posted by [identity profile] mojotastic.livejournal.com at 12:37am on 22/06/2010
MORGAN THIS POST MADE ME LOL LIKE FIVE TIMES, EVEN IF NOW I AM EVEN MORE TERRIFIED FOR THE FOURTH BOOK.

I'M SORRY BB! At this point I just expect that everything will all eventually end in a SUPER TERRIBLE way. Why do these books want to emotionally destroy us? IDK! Why can't everyone just be happy and awesome? WHY?

(haha my Lymond issues, let me show you them!)

But seriously I would never tell you about the fourth book because I don't even know if knowing what happens would make it better or worse? IDK. It's all amazing and terrible at the same time!

EXACTLY THIS. Oh my god, my sleep schedule during the second half of the third book got soooo messed up because I just couldn't put it down!

The third book for me was when the series went from being "Wow, this is really really amazing!" to "OMGOMGOMG BEST BOOKS EVER WHERE IS THE NEXT ONE WHO NEEDS SLEEP! OMG!" I think it helped that there was less of a learning curve on the third book than the first and second. The fourth is like the third where it's all ACTION! But it appears from what I've read of the fifth so far that it's going a bit back to the first/second book format of needing to do a lot of setup. But still, you'll love it since the set up involves Tudors. <3
 
posted by [identity profile] cilly.livejournal.com at 05:51pm on 19/06/2010
LYMOND!!!! So confusing but so awesome. I'm almost done with the first book. I'll write you a big reaction email the second I'm finished reading.

Oh, and a comm would be great.
 
posted by [identity profile] mojotastic.livejournal.com at 12:39am on 22/06/2010
LYMOND!!!! So confusing but so awesome. I'm almost done with the first book. I'll write you a big reaction email the second I'm finished reading.

LYMOND! If the books had a tag line I'm pretty sure "so confusing yet so awesome" would be it! I'm totally looking forward to you finishing the first book because I want to hear all your reactions to it!!! <3<3 The Richard and Lymond stuff in the book is totally my favorite.

Yay comm! This has to happen soon! That means we'll have like...four/five people? For a Lymond book club comm I'm going to consider that a sucess! Hee!

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